Sam,
I received the following from a young my space user last evening in response to the invitations I sent out to Clearfield Area Youth asking them to come to the Landfill Summit-  Please post it to for Forum.

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N.I.M.B.Y.'s (Not In My Backyard) disgust me. I bet you wouldn't have a problem with them moving the landfill plans to another town. I bet you would even say that the jobs created would be good too.

You talk about unity yet when it comes to the people that would need the jobs that the landfills would provide you ignore them. Have you looked at unemployment for Clearfield County at all? Every time an election is coming up poverty takes a backseat to abortion and government spending. Lynn Swan has strong opposition to welfare while the elderly freeze in their homes every winter because LIHEAP doesn't help enough. How about if you focus less on tourism and more on the fact that people are losing their homes because they can't afford the hikes in property taxes every year because of needless spending and the massive debts of our schools.

I say bring in the landfills. They can even put one behind my house if it means a stable job for a needy family in the area...

Good Day Sir.

This is so very sad and clearly illustrates the greater problem that we're facing in this area. It's wonderful to see a young person with so much passion about social concerns, but so disturbing to see them so desperate that they would literally be willing to sell the soul of this county and the health of their environmnet and everyone else in this area for a few $10 / hour jobs. Okay, maybe $15?

Just where does a young person learn to think like this? That's the real question here.

And, in response to his/her post; NO, you a wrong. I would not suggest that we put those landfills in adjoining communities. We are not discussing a local need. These landfills are not going to service the local area's needs as a primary function. If we needed a landfill for this purpose, I may feel different. You seem to be sadly mistaken about what these facilities are and what they will be bringing to this area.

Please educate yourself as to the true nature of this beast. Please do not think so little of yourself that you would be willing to sacrifice so much for so very little. This isn't a NIMBY issue. It's an issue of harms vs. benefits and when you take the time to educate yourself on the issues, you may well feel differently about those low-paying jobs that you are so desperate for, pushing around other people's garbage from out of state.

Let's have some pride and think better of our selves. Let's attract clean industry. Jobs YES! Jobs at any cost....NO WAY!!!

Educate yourself young person and apply those passions to a logic that won't decimate your future for a short term fix. You are capable of better. WE are capable and deserving of better. Work to bring better opportunities than this if you care about the people so much, please do not encourage them to settle for something that will be so detrimental. Show it by encouraging them to think more highly of themselves and work to help them build a better way that won't risk so much for so little.

It's this sort of attitude that the big corporate waste industry is counting on when targeting areas like Clearfield.

Peace,
Samuel Anthony Ettaro

Mr Ettaro,

You claim to be an educator yet fail to tell the youth or adults the truth and your educating tilts toward indoctrination instead.

You don’t use facts or truth to prove the point; you’d rather permit false statements and information to excite the base instincts in people and in doing so hope they’ll overlook truth and believe the lie.

Your use of non factual based opinions in your advertising of your educational meeting for November 9 2006 and that shows that the educator is lacking a firm foundation. You try the educating of others with the Cyclops approach.

You believed alleged facts without checking them out for truth or factuality, by appearance it looks like you are void to the standard for truth or facts. You want people to be free to speak yet you deny facts which would allow them to practice that free speech. You want others to speak the truth but blind yourself to the truths that they present.

The youth need direction, yet you offer them a distorted, lopsided view of facts and truth; with that view comes the statement,” With no vision the people perish.” Truth will out regardless of how badly it’s weighted. Truth isn’t right or wrong that’s not it’s nature, it’s simply factual and neutral.

You failed to check the truth and/or facts in what you call, “Some things to think about regarding Boggs and Chest Township” you failed to check the truths espoused by CCFBTD members in the interviews you conducted and then you expect the youth to follow you. I’m giving them more credit than that!

You pound the drum against Nazi tactics yet credence to those that practice them. Hypocrisy is not flattering, neither is trickery or deceit.

John Deacon

Good day Mr. Deacon,

If the person that provided this information was wrong on a certain point then please let me know the specifics of the instance, what you believe the correct information is, and I'll take it up.

Thanks for the input, Mr. Deacon.

Samuel

Why is it so difficult for Mr. Deacon to accept that the overwhelming majority of area citizens do not want a garbage dump in the area.

Please Mr. Deacon, explain to the good people of Clearfield and Lawrence Township why we have to have 250 garbage trucks getting off the Clearfield exit 5 or 6 days a week. The traffic disruption alone will be horrible but God forbid the day that a fatal accident happens with one of the garbage trucks. 250 in / 250 out, 500 trucks a day on 879 and 153.

It makes no sense to sell out for 20 or fewer jobs. If these 250 trucks were going past the Dickson, Straw, Baney and Deacon homes every day, 5 or 6 days a week, where would you stand???

The supervisors keep talking about the big bucks they are going to be getting for hosting this SH*T hole. They don't need $2.5 million a year to run Boggs Township.

And the fact is, the only people who will really make the big bucks will be the fat cats from PA Waste. They will build the landfill and sell it off to Onyx or some other waste management company as soon as they get the permits in order - for millions. They will never stick around long enough to keep the cheap promises they are making to buy the supervisors.

Finally, why were they unsuccessful in getting a landfill permitted in Tioga county?

It just isn't right that 3 township supervisors can sellout an entire area.

Mr. Deacon,

Let it never be said that I never gave you anything.

Since I did not receive a response to my question regarding exactly where the Boggs "Issues" are wrong, I did some checking and called Green Tree Landfill and asked their manager about jobs and numbers and did indeed get an interesting response:

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Hi Samuel

We have about 280 trucks on average a day that use our facility. These include waste and alternative daily cover materials.

We have 30 to 32 full time employees. Our heavy equipment operators earn 38,000.00 to 58,000.00 per year with full medical, dental and vision coverage.

Thx don

Donald J Henrichs
Area Manager
Veolia ES Greentree Landfill, LLC
635 Toby Rd.


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Now I'm not sure how this relates exactly to the Boggs facility, but if you do have something that you know regarding job projections at that site, I think we should all know about it.

Samuel

30-32 well paid people are not going to make up for the people in this area that have to deal with all the extra (and dirty!) traffic. Let alone the potential jobs lost because of clean industry steering clear of our area, and the possible dip in property values.
Side note to samuel, please delete this part if you wish. I know why you had to change formats. I think it is a shame. Are you aware their are similar free boards where you can control members to limit flamers and some where you can even approve posts but still keep the "glance at all topics" format which helps create a better traffic flow and promote interaction? Check out excoboard.com, boardhost.com, proboards.com, and ezboard.

Samuel
"Some things to think about regarding Boggs and Chest Township". Did you check the facts or opinions specifically before you used them in the aforementioned article? You want facts yet you don't know what's on your site blurb/ad/material for November 9th ? Above is specifically what I speak of but you failed to look at it. You claim there to have 10 things to think about but you still ask me to clarify my email. Read your material it is not factualy or contains half true.

Mr. Deacon

At the very first meeting PA Waste held with the community in Philipsburg, Mr. Ramsey was asked what the going wage would be. He stated they would all be minimum wage except for a couple managerial jobs. If this meeting was taped, you should be able to verify "the facts" as Mr. Deacon so "desperately" desires. Can you imagine the implications of an inspector making minimum wage when asked to overlook the contents of a garbage truck if there are a few extra bucks flashed before him?! Mr. Deacon screams "facts, truth" when he is only the landfill's and township's whipped puppett. His reputation as a trouble maker preceeds him wherever he goes. I would like to know who the author of all his senseless speeches are. We have seen and heard firsthand HIS letters and he can't even read them, let alone have the mentality to write them. He will respond to you Sam, but only after his puppeteers have a chance to write the response that he will put his name to. Not sure what your regulations regarding bashing someone are, but I am sick of hearing that poor Mr. Deacon wants to hear the truth and the facts and everyone but the supervisors and landfill company are liars! You get the facts from some reliable sources, Mr. Deacon, not from the people who may be offering you a job or that stand to make millions. How stupid can a person be?!

To the Proud NIMBY asks why! Because you anti Landfill entities denied me my free speech rights. I went to the first Boggs twp meeting to get information but you and your crowd decided that all there were against the landfill without asking you stopped my information gathering effort. I took it personally because you took away a very precious right of mine under the constitution and now I take the oposite stand. You are so blind that it consumes you Your represenatives in the State government saw the big bucks and stood by and passed it to the locals knowing full well that they could not say no. Mr George loves to say it's the state that caused the problem when he represents the state. Mr. George and others in government failed the residents of Boggs and the State of Pa by permitting out of state garbage because they saw the money as Mr. George has said on Mr. Atteros intervieew It is all about money. You fail to see the pattern they want jobs in PA and will cut you throat to get them. your beating me because you are to blind to see who caused this issue Look to you officials in County government and State government you'll see that they could have stopped it but they just want to pass the buck because they need a scape goat. Wake up Not In My Back Yard entity Your Represenatives and Commissioners passed the buck and your beat on someone that would have been on you team but you chose to take my right away now I'm against you but no one has ever asked me face to face. All anyone has heard me say is that I am not opposed to landfills. Your so against me that none want to be sivile with me I not an Troll under the bridge you choose to make me one. you be rational with me I return the same. You may find I'm not your enemy???

Mr. Deacon

Mr. Deacon,

You seem to be doing fine with this forum. Keep it clean, stay focused on your points and you'll be heard. Nobody is sensoring here.

Oh, but before you think I'm just being too nice to you, I should tell you to not pat yourself on the back too quickly. Look at the "something to consider" sheet that was provided to us. There's nothing in there about the scale or number of jobs.

What I tossed you was in reference to how I mispoke on the matter earlier. It doesn't apply to that pointed list.

I ask you again, as the person making a flap about the veracity of those points, to point out just where the error exists and I'll take it back to the person who provided the info.

If you won't do that, then please just drop it, okay?

You work with me, I work with you... Remember, that's how you want it, right?

Later,
Samuel

NIMBY
Who is NIMBY! In the famous words of one blogger,"Ain't got guts to sign anything but annoymous." Who is annoymonus? Possibly the names not important to the issue ever think in that direction? It's time to clear that up. It's courtesy to someone if what they have to say is directed to you, not to mention their name without permission could that help getting a diologue going? Sometimes the name isn't important to the issue (repeat)ever consider that? Life is full of false statements that have no relevance to an issue but people love conflict hoping they will gain something through confrontation and all they achieve is a short fifteen minutes in the sun!
To get off the subject here What are the fat Cats in business for? Could it be to make money? Did you represenatives make any money you don't call them Fat Cate now do you? I don't think so why because you think you need them so you smooze them but a businessman is a "Fat Cat" hyprocracy! The simplee message is your not focused and never have been. Your blinded by the politician who has said, "I'm on your side but the States the problem, No the lawmakers are the problem,. The "Fat Cat" is just there doing what "Fat Cats" do best;living off the glean you leave give them... It's not the Supervisors it's the politicians in Harrisburg representing you were the problem is but the Supers are closest to beat on. How many time does it need to be said the the Supers had no choice they did what was in the best intrest of all the residents in this situation... My last response you had my invite it's remains open but approach and be civil... If you really care!

Samuel
What is this thing about jobs you refer to I never said anything about jobs or money! And Samuel I'm am never unclean in what I say I never say SH*T have I? It's not needed, now is it? I never take flattery ask around anyone who knows me, can't stand it either. Stop and read what I write no one ever does they just put words where there were none. Samuel to lie or misrepresent the truth and facts as those 10 point do is wrong. Downtown is not on the east end downtown is downton in the center do you agree? Township code the auditors set pay rates not the supers Yes? or No? I gave you the Code from the book, did I not? Are you focused yet?

Reply to NIMBY
Whipped puppert nice try! Didn't work! You sound like the CCFBTD can't hold the ground so go for the insults! I'm not on the job roster. I'm not in the pocket of the landfill or the supervisors just your attempt intelect talking; it's forgivable on my part? I wasn't at the first meeting and that is what prompted me to go to the twp meetings. I only speak of the Boggs Township meetings you injected that. I can imagine an inspector that is paid a low salary I never took money to look the other way I did it for nothing you can't get lower thatn that now can you I never failed my duties to the people.. Listen back up read it again let it sink in I'll wait....
Again I did my job to the best of my abilities as all should do money or no money!!! Nice shot attack someone because of a disability nic shot Oops! didn't work why is being tongue tied such a bad thing it makes the person pointing the disability out so much higher on the scale Right? I feel for you sorry you have a worse diasability than me can I help? Have to say it again in business to make money the the idea. Again I'm sorry you see handicaped people as an afront. Maybe you ought to practice Adolf's solution?
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Mr. Deacon,

First things first, I do not consider you an enemy. However, you have been the constant voice insisting that this landfill would be a good thing for the area and that the overwhelm majority of the citizens in Clearfield, Lawrence, Bradford, Boggs and central PA that don't want our area to be known for trash dumps and landfills are wrong.

Without getting argumentative, please just answer the questions:

1. Why should we accept the landfill?

2. Why are you placing more faith in a few greedy millionaires from Harrisburg than you would in your own neighbors and other local people?

3. How are the County Commissioners responsible? How did they "pass the buck" when it was only the Boggs Township supervisors who rolled out the red carpet by signing the host municipality agreement back in Sept of 05?

4. We are in some agreement that blame lies with the state and specifically the State Rep in Houtzdale. He was one of the main authors of Act 101, the law that set forth the rules on landfill permitting in PA. What do you want Rep. George to do publically now in 2006?

5. Give everyone reading this forum 5 valid reason why Clearfield County and central PA needs this landfill in our area?

You said you want the opportunity to speak your peace, please speak it now.

Nice try NIMBY didn't work, Sorry!Thought you would read the post that explains, "didn't work",(put the explaination in so you would understand) but doesn't look like you got the post. I've no problem answering but I'm not going to answer you in a place that certainly has an agenda of character assassination if you want the answers face me.. You'll find me agreeable. You want answers but only to criticise, tell me I'm wrong? Then deny what you've written before wasn't true? If it wasn't true then it must be a lie therefore that would make the teller a liar would it not? And one own words then would condem them? Again you have two options you could give it up as Samuel suggests or face me.. your call?
Have a good day!
P.S. I'm easly found feel free...:)

Hi John,

I believe in the interest of clarity if would make sense for you to back up your claims with some factual statements of your own. We're all still waiting for the point-by-point from you rebutting the "things to think about" list. I've went over this with others and have revised based on what I have found, yet you, the loudest voice accusing us of blatently lying on these points, when offered twice, (now three times) has not issued information for us to consider.

I'm with the previous post. Answer some of the questions and your credibility will go much further here. Regarding "wanting answers only to criticize"... You're assuming that, but, if that is indeed the case, what are you afraid of? Why would you NOT give straight and honest answers only because someone that you feel is adversarial toward you wants to criticize you on them? That doesn't make sense if the answers that you have are the truth?

What's the problem then?

The guy/gal asked you some straight questions, John. I don't see any reason why you are refusing to answer them here except that perhaps you don't want people to hear those answers.

What other reason could it be?

We'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this matter?

Oh, by the way, I'm curious. Is it true that you are a "standby" or reserve Boggs Township Supervisor? I don't know about that, but it's what I've heard and I'm wondering if you would verify that for us here and tell us exactly what that means.

Thanks again, John! Take care.
Samuel

Mr. Deacon,

I'm going to give you a promise here and I hope you are willing to accept it. I am going to post my questions again, NO BS, and ask that you give the honest answers that you feel are appropriate to answer my questions. I am giving you the opportunity to make a positive case for the landfill project.

1. Why should we accept the landfill?

2. Why are you placing more faith in the people from PA Waste from Harrisburg than you would in your own neighbors and other local people?

3. How are the County Commissioners responsible? How did they "pass the buck" when it has only been the Boggs Township supervisors who have met with PA Waste representatives since Sept of 05?

4. We are in some agreement that blame lies with the state and specifically the State Rep in Houtzdale. He was one of the main authors of Act 101, the law that set forth the rules on landfill permitting in PA. What do you want Rep. George to do publically now in 2006?

5. Give everyone reading this forum 5 valid reason why Clearfield County and central PA needs this landfill in our area?

Thank you.....

Mr. Ettaro,
I have been working with North East Waste Services very closely since they acquired the property for the Chest Township Land Fill. I have been attending the Township, MoValley Cog, School Board, and Chest Creek Water Shed meetings as my schedule permits.
On Saturday, October 28, 2006, A trip was scheduled by N.E.W.S. to go to Cumberland County to visit an active solid waste disposal site owned and operated by N.E.W.S.
It was a very interesting and educational visit. I saw with my own eyes new equipment on display, by both townships that the land fill site resides in. I saw new home construction within eye-sight of the working area. A fresh water supply not much more than 100 feet (One Hundred Feet) from the markers of the protective liner of the work site. A system to mask odors from the active work site, a waster water treatment plant as good as any treatment plant I have visited in Blair County, Logan Township and both East and West plants operated by the Altoona City Waste Authority. We also had a very fine catered meal of roasted turkey, baked ham, scalloped potatoes, green beans with almonds, homemade cookies and a fruit salad in a tent less than 50 feet from the landfill perimeter and not one complaint of any bad smell while we were eating. As a matter of fact, the site was so clean you didn't even know a solid waste facility was right beside you.
I had the opportunity to talk to the Mayor of Newburg Boro who told me that N.E.W.S. contributes money to the boro even though they have no legal right to any N.E.W.S. N.E.W.S. even gave them a home in the center of town for a business office that was bought by them to widen the road for better manuverability for all traffic not just trash trucks.
Mayor Stump was very proud to inform everyone there that for the first time in 150 years the Boro of Newburg had a business office thanks to N.E.W.S.
The Cumberland County Solid Waste Director, was on site to discuss how N.E.W.

SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT REGARDING BOGGS AND CHEST TOWNSHIP PROJECTS:

Statement: 500 trucks movements per day for 6 days per week for at least 10 years on the edge of town. This is just for the Boggs project. Add to that Rush and Chest Township and we're overrun in this region!

Answer: There should be a traffic study that is open to the public, read it Penn Dot will estimate the amount of traffic change, and the local routes to be effected. This does not mean that they are facts, if there is an accident or traffic is backed up truck drivers will opt to use whatever routes they choose, no single route will be un-effected by this additional traffic.

Statement: When Green Tree closes in 6 years all local garbage will come through the Boro of Clearfield to go to either Boggs or Chest killing downtown Clearfield and/or Curwensville.

Answer: Again, once the Green tree landfill closes, truck drivers will use the most likely route. So there is a possibility that the traffic will be effected from 322 coming west to east, or Interstate 80, depends on the daily activity and traffic pattern effects.

Statemet: If you live in Houtzdale and must get to the hospital in an ambulance there will be trucks spaced 30 seconds apart on the road all day; you'll never make it.

Answer: Maybe maybe not, but you could assume this possibility would exsist, as it would on any other roadway occupied by the additional traffic.

Statement: The Boggs site has a shallow mine underneath. This rock was fractured during a recent stripping operation. The 100 high garbage could cause sections to collapse ripping the liner.

Answer: This statement was verified by a local Architurcual firm.

Statement: Who will treat the effluent 50 years from now?

Answer: Those left to maintain the localities 50 years from now.

Statement: DEP states you cannot build a dump at the headwaters of a stream. What about Laurel run which is a trout stream and starts right near the Boggs du

A Proud NIMBY wrote in part: We are in some agreement that blame lies with the state and specifically the State Rep in Houtzdale. He was one of the main authors of Act 101, the law that set forth the rules on landfill permitting in PA. What do you want Rep. George to do publically now in 2006?

I only want to use your statement to make a point, this is not a rebuttal to any of your statement.

When our legislators are in session, there may be an act or bill presented such as ..let's say Highway Improvements. That act or bill goes into session very clean, then it goes to committee, where (public interest groups, or lobbyists) gather their allies to encourage the committee to slightly ammend the act or bill. Once the act or bill comes out of committee, most legislators do not hesitate to take a second look at it, (until lately, they are learning as we are) because while that Highway Improvement Bill was in committee, a lobbyist had the committe add a final ammendedment, let's say that approves $1,000,000.00 for stem cell research earmarked for Penn State Hershey Medical Center. Now the bill is up for a vote..a good and reputable legislator will take the time to re proof the bill, but again some don't..they assume it's the "Highway Improvement Bill" and simply vote. Then we the public get the news that Legislator so and so approved a bill that his constuants would not approve of. And we all know how the the rest of the story goes....

This was all hypothetical, there IS NOT a Highway Improvement Bill with an ammended stem cell research attachment, I don't want to start rumors.


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RICH HUGHES RESPONDS TO DEACON:

HI ALL....THIS CAME TO ME VIA EMAIL REGARDING MR. DEAON's RECENT CLAIMS. POSTED BY ETTARO....

1. Mr. Deacon states that Article 9 Section 901 is clear on who gives the supervisors raises. I would suggest everyone read it.

2. Mr. Deacon did not understand that the turning lane on SR 879 can only handle two trucks. If we have 31 trucks per hour (250 per day over 8 hrs) as stated by the dump company at the recent public meeting trucks will queue at this location. The lane can only handle two 60 ft units and therefore the traffic will be backed up in the middle of SR879. The hazard is created when westbound vehicles crest the hill prior to park Ave only to find a truck or other car stopped in the middle of the road. These automobiles will be traveling 55 mph - 65 mph. Mr. Deacon stated that this was half truths but I do not think he understands traffic patterns.

3. Mr. Deacon states "just because it is on the internet as a trail does not make it a trail". Before Mr. Deacon can make that statement he needs to go to his friend who put it on the internet for years and ask him if they made a mistake or was it indeed a trail as they said? The abandoned rail line has been used as a trail for years and is to this day used as a recreational trail. Just go to the site and see for yourself. Hikers, bikers, 4 wheelers use it daily. On holiday weekends dozens of people use this scenic walkway. Besides, one person does not own this abandoned line but rather several. These folks have left it open for a trail for years. Mr. Deacon's ghost writer used a legal term here which exposed him for what he is. Furthermore, Deacon exposed his ghost writer by stating that the abandoned line is owned by only one individual. This is not true and has been reviewed by attorneys on both sides of the debate.

4. With regards to the park at Dimeling Bridge. I have publicly stated that I intend to donate 70 acres and 9 buildings to the County or State for the purpose of a park when I am finished. The project is is presently designated as a recreational cabin. when it is turned over the area will have to be reviewed to ensure it complies with all permitting. At the present time it complies with all state and local regulations. The county commissioners knew of my intentions at Dimeling back in 2004 before any dump project was proposed. I purchased this property prior to the dump purchasing property off of Alan Walker and William Kriner. The county will have to decide if they want a park and an existing trail on Clearfield Creek or a dump. The two just do not mix.

5. Mr. Deacon has commented before on this issue and I want to make the statement clear. In approximately 6 years Green Tree landfill permits will be exhausted. At that time all the local trucks from Brockway, Ridgeway, St. Mary's Penfield,DuBois, Kane, Johnsonburg, Brookville will come down into Clearfield boro and go to the landfill. All the trucks from New York city which make up over 90% of the garbage will use the SR879 by pass. I hope this clarifies it for Deacon.

6. I stood next to Mr. Deacon when the Dump company at the Boggs meeting stated 250 trucks per day will get off I80 and go to the dump. Maybe Deacon is deficient in math but this means the trucks will also return to I80 on the same path. In Traffic engineering this is 500 truck movements. Now if we add the same for chest this would be 1,000 trucks movements a day out at Wal-Mart. I hope this is clear for the gentlemen for this is what Penn Dot will look study.

Please add these numbers to the comment from #2 and it spells hazardous. Sure the road is wide enough and has proper signage but the volume creates hazards. Now add these numbers to the projected 6,000 ADT (average daily traffic) at the Wolf Run proposed mall complex and industrial site which is under construction behind Lowes and the numbers don't work.

7. With regards to the headwaters of Laurel Run. we are referring to two different streams. Camp Hope Run is listed on all the USGS maps. I am calling a small tributary of this stream Laurel Run. If you look on the USGS this streams origins are where they want to put the dump. DEP will not allow a Dump at the headwaters of a stream period.

8. Mr. Deacon ignored the hot rock issue because there is no denying this site has hot rock and is also undermined. This information will be shown to DEP at the proper time.

In conclusion Mr. Deacon is in a small minority who thinks the dump is great for the Township. He tries to pick apart details and then accuses people of half truths , deceit or lying. If something needs more explanation I would be glad to give it to DEP. Mr. Deacon for the first time exposed that he has been coached in his letters. I would like to see the ghost writers come out of the closet. They must be proud of the dump as well or maybe there nervous!

Richard T. Hughes

(Sorry here is the end of my letter I do not know what happened)

Mayor Stump was very pleased to inform everyone there that for the first time in 150 years the Boro of Newburg had a business office thanks to N.E.W.S.
The Cumberland County Solid Waste Director,was on site to discusshow N.E.W.S. works with and contributes to the Solid Waste Authourity to help with recycling and education of solid waste disposal and ws very optimistic of the cooperation the N.E.W.S. has given them.
Mr. Ettero, your interview with Mr. Michaels was filled with sensationalism and half truths. Come to a meeting and sit down and get yourself informed. Our township spent $30,000.00 of concerned citizens money and another $45,000.00 of tax payer money. Our last election here in Chest Township was split by a 16% (40 Vote) difference between the candidates, not what I would call an over whelming majority against the landfill. We have a 55 gallon drum of water to flush our toilet in our township building, the sides are falling off the outside and you can stick your hands inside the walls. We have 2 dump trucks, and one isn't inspected for highway use, and we haven't got any money left to replace it, atleast I haven't see one yet.
This landfill not only will create 15-20 good paying jobs with benefits, but an economic windfall for a failing school district who will have no choice without it but to raise taxes, reduce faculty or close. In our area we have 1 restaurants with enough room to park a few trucks, who will benefit much more than a handful of hunters stopping for breakfast the first day of buck season.
Mr. Ettaro, I want you wo tell me how tourism is not only going to make my life here in Clearfield County better but how is it going to keep the seniors who graduate from high school this and subsequent years here in Clearfield County. We have nothing in South Western Clearfield County and to turn away a chance for a new future with a company who cares about the envir

Hi John,

I believe in the interest of clarity if would make sense for you to back up your claims with some factual statements of your own. We're all still waiting for the point-by-point from you rebutting the "things to think about" list. I've went over this with others and have revised based on what I have found, yet you, the loudest voice accusing us of blatantly lying on these points, when offered twice, (now three times) has not issued information for us to consider.

I'm with the previous post. Answer some of the questions and your credibility will go much further here. Regarding "wanting answers only to criticize"... You're assuming that, but, if that is indeed the case, what are you afraid of? Why would you NOT give straight and honest answers only because someone that you feel is adversarial toward you wants to criticize you on them? That doesn't make sense if the answers that you have are the truth?

What's the problem then?

The guy/gal asked you some straight questions, John. I don't see any reason why you are refusing to answer them here except that perhaps you don't want people to hear those answers.

What other reason could it be?

We'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this matter?

Oh, by the way, I'm curious. Is it true that you are a "standby" or reserve Boggs Township Supervisor? I don't know about that, but it's what I've heard and I'm wondering if you would verify that for us here and tell us exactly what that means.

Thanks again, John! Take care.
Samuel


Samuel
Your last paragraph your curious; now Samuel you seem to be a boy with his ear to the rail, what do you think? You criticize me for not answering but your sources failed to explain and show you the written statements by me covering the questions you have. Man, I hate to be redundant but Article 4 Section 407 of the township code is explicit on my duties as you put it a, “stand by” Supervisor This was covered by me months ago in a written and verbal statem

Mr. Ettaro, I am sorry my letter got cut off if you do not receive the entire letter please notify me again and I will try again. Also you asked me in your letter-You asked me what do I do for the company-I am not employed by the company-I work for a trucking company in Altoona, PA I am a tri axle coal hauler.Thank you Larry Garner
Concerned Citizen for the Economic Development of Chest Township

For some reason, Mr. Deacon is still not willing to answer my questions. I am interested to see Mr. Garner weighing in with some factual information in support of his position in favor of the Chest township landfill - though, I'm still not swayed in my overall opinion of landfills.

Here is a suggestion for both Mr. Garner and Mr. Deacon....

Both Chest and Boggs have active anti-landfill groups (as does Rush in Centre Co.). Why don't you gentleman form a pro-landfill development group and start having monthly meetings promoting the development of landfills in Clearfield County?

Please take my suggestion seriously and not with sarcasm. Perhaps there will be a number of people who would join the group and attend regular meetings to promote the development of landfills in Clearfield County.

Mr. Ettaro,(Please copy this to the rest of my letter it was cut off again)

environment like N.E.W.S. and is willing to share in its profits with the surrounding community would be a terrible loss. Maybe with some cooperation from our elected officials we could have our roads upgraded that you are so concerned about and even more industry would be interested in investing in our community.

Larry Garner
Concerned Citizen for the Economic Development of Chest Township

Citizens Advocate
thank you for not printing the complete email I sent Nov 1 2006 8:20pm that's a nice touch or should I say twist:-?
Hi John,

I believe in the interest of clarity if would make sense for you to back up your claims with some factual statements of your own. We're all still waiting for the point-by-point from you rebutting the "things to think about" list. I've went over this with others and have revised based on what I have found, yet you, the loudest voice accusing us of blatantly lying on these points, when offered twice, (now three times) has not issued information for us to consider.

I'm with the previous post. Answer some of the questions and your credibility will go much further here. Regarding "wanting answers only to criticize"... You're assuming that, but, if that is indeed the case, what are you afraid of? Why would you NOT give straight and honest answers only because someone that you feel is adversarial toward you wants to criticize you on them? That doesn't make sense if the answers that you have are the truth?

What's the problem then?

The guy/gal asked you some straight questions, John. I don't see any reason why you are refusing to answer them here except that perhaps you don't want people to hear those answers.

What other reason could it be?

We'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this matter?

Oh, by the way, I'm curious. Is it true that you are a "standby" or reserve Boggs Township Supervisor? I don't know about that, but it's what I've heard and I'm wondering if you would verify that for us here and tell us exactly what that means.

Thanks again, John! Take care.
Samuel


Samuel
Your last paragraph your curious; now Samuel you seem to be a boy with his ear to the rail, what do you think? You criticize me for not answering but your sources failed to explain and show you the written statements by me covering the questions you have. Man, I hate to be redundant but Article 4 Section 407 of the township

John,

What are you talking about? You did not send me any email in this regard?

Are you referring to the letter that you emailed Bud George and Dan Surra blasting them for their affiliation with us?

That was between you and them. You did not send it to me and you did not request that we publish it if that's what you're referring to. If you have something for us to publish, email it to me with a request to do so or post it here.

Nice spin attempt, yourself, John.

Trust me, I want people to see what you wrote because it works to our advantage in our efforts.

Why don't you simply post the info that you are saying I'm not posting here? If you want me to dig it up from the forward that Surra sent me and post it, I will. Or you can do it yourself and people can put it right side by side with Hughes's response and make their own judgement.

While you're at it, how about the other questions that you keep avoiding? Oh, I think the suggestion of a landfill supporters group is great! I'll help you organize and promote "economic development through landfill development" and pull your supporters together!

S.

Samuel
Your last paragraph your curious; now Samuel you seem to be a boy with his ear to the rail, what do you think? You criticize me for not answering but your sources failed to explain and show you the written statements by me covering the questions you have. Man, I hate to be redundant but Article 4 Section 407 of the township code is explicit on my duties as you put it a, “stand by” Supervisor This was covered by me months ago in a written and verbal statem
Wednesday, November 1st 2006 @ 8:20 PM



This is the post the fourth time with the forum email I was responding to...

Hi John,



I believe in the interest of clarity if would make sense for you to back up your claims with some factual statements of your own. We're all still waiting for the point-by-point from you rebutting the "things to think about" list. I've went over this with others and have revised based on what I have found, yet you, the loudest voice accusing us of blatantly lying on these points, when offered twice, (now three times) has not issued information for us to consider.



I'm with the previous post. Answer some of the questions and your credibility will go much further here. Regarding "wanting answers only to criticize"... You're assuming that, but, if that is indeed the case, what are you afraid of? Why would you NOT give straight and honest answers only because someone that you feel is adversarial toward you wants to criticize you on them? That doesn't make sense if the answers that you have are the truth?



What's the problem then?



The guy/gal asked you some straight questions, John. I don't see any reason why you are refusing to answer them here except that perhaps you don't want people to hear those answers.



What other reason could it be?



We'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this matter?



Oh, by the way, I'm curious. Is it true that you are a "standby" or reserve Boggs Township Supervisor? I don't know about that, but it's what I've heard and I'm wondering if you would verify that for us here and tell us exactly what that means.



Thanks again, John! Take care.

Samuel





Samuel

Your last paragraph your curious; now Samuel you seem to be a boy with his ear to the rail, what do you think? You criticize me for not answering but your sources failed to explain and show you the written statements by me covering the questions you have. Man, I hate to be redundant but Article 4 Section 407 of the township code is explicit on my duties as you put it a, “stand by” Supervisor This was covered by me months ago in a written and verbal statement that clearly the CCFBTD refused to listen to or to read now you ask am I a stand by Super hear are your choices:

1. Read the Code for yourself (in case you don’t have a copy below is a copy of 407)

2. Ask the CCFBTD

3. Believe me when I state for the fourth time I'm a vacancy Chairman for Boggs that's all but I'm betting that you won't believe me but rather believe #2. I have sent editorial to local papers I have on numerous occasions stated the facts but you and the CCFBTD have refused to read the printed word, exactly what is it that seems to be stuck in your gullet? I gave chapter and verse but you and the CCFBTD refuse to read and believe I gave you proof but still you refuse to accept it. If written and verbal isn't enough then I guess it's not me that's the shut out. And as to the Guy/Gal your site criticizes anyone that signs anonymous but if a screen name is used it's ok but if a real name is use the screen name wins out.. I've stood watch over my given plot I've answered few questions but when I do it's always been in print why so no one won't have a copy but as the CCFBTD put it, "it's (Blank) everything John Deacon writes is (Blank) and he is a fat stupid jerk with attitudes like that the head is dense and nothing can get through not even facts. I've how many time repeatedly ask did you read what I wrote the answer has always been the same yes we have and it only your opinion what amazes me about that statement it was made about Township Code etc. I have been careful to stick as close to truth and fact as possible yet some refuse to acknowledge even State law what can I say except dense is dense or one is either unstable or unlearned one or the other apply if one doesn't acknowledge fact or truth. It's regrettable that a group chose to attack a knowledge seeker and attack his slow speech and be what you call visceral. You say I don't answer question put to me straight well Samuel from my first township meeting I have done nothing but yet the people refuse read or listen they have a mind like a steel trap dead closed to anything that is truth or fact so exactly what is it that will open that avenue? Be sincere Samuel neither you nor the others care about truth or you would have read what I wrote and said publicly, now would they?

I’ll give you one answer and it’s pretty hard to grasp concerning:

Q1 you shouldn’t

Q2 money only buys stuff and usually there never is enough, now you really want a tidbit of truth here it is I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE LANDFILL as I was accused of.

Q5 here they is It Doesn’t now repeat this 4 more times. That aught to do and one other thing I don’t need the approval of anyone to speak as was inferred by NIMBY.

Samuel have you read Mr. Richard Hansel answer to the landfill question posed him in the progress concerning Act 101? Also the Daily Journal report on Commissioner Lytle’s statement of Oct 6 2006 certain people refused to hear the same from me so here is just another vindication the rule of thumb is out of the mouth of two witnesses the thing is establish and the sad part is that the CCFBTD refuse to hear the established facts from their elected official or from me or from a man running for office Again what more do you want? Just want to be clear on this I fear no man I just hold some at arms length I don’t back down the group knows that but refuse to acknowledge it so here I am waiting for you guys to catch up. As to Act 101 you interview Mr. George he made a perfect statement when he said, “it’s all about money”. Grow greener gets a rather large amount of it’s monies from landfills and your legislators knew that, yes or no, yet they passed it to the township knowing their way out when cornered was to say that zoning should have been passed; now knowing this full well how innocent were they? Please, tell me they didn’t know the townships hands would be tied come on Samuel I give you more credit than that! Who backed Act 101 Who Authored it? Who sponsored it? Simply who was behind it? Well Samuel it’s been a pleasure But no one wants the truth so I guess I just go away and die under a rock. Pause a moment Samuel that was a joke! That ain’t going to happen. John





ARTICLE IV Section 407. Vacancies in General

ELECTION OF OFFICERS; VACANCIES IN OFFICE





If the electors of any township fail to choose a supervisor, tax collector, auditor or assessor or if any person elected to any office fails to serve in the office or if a vacancy occurs in the office by death, resignation, removal from the township or otherwise, the board of supervisors may appoint a successor who is an elector of the township and has resided in that township continuously for at least one year prior to their appointment, and, upon their failure to make the appointment within thirty days after the vacancy occurs, the vacancy shall be filled within fifteen additional days by the vacancy board. The vacancy board shall consist of the board of supervisors and one elector of the township, who shall be appointed by the board of supervisors at the board's first meeting each calendar year or as soon after that as practical and who shall act as chairman of the vacancy board. If the vacancy board fails to fill the position within fifteen days, the chairman shall, or if there is a vacancy in the chairmanship the remaining members of the vacancy board shall, petition the court of common pleas to fill the vacancy. If two or more vacancies in the office of supervisor occur on a three-member board or three or more vacancies on a five-member board, the court of common pleas shall fill the vacancies upon presentation of petition signed by not less than fifteen electors of the township. The successor so appointed shall hold the office until the first Monday in January after the first municipal election which occurs more than sixty days after the vacancy occurs, at which election an eligible person shall be elected for the unexpired term.

Mr. Deacon,

REPEAT THIS AGAIN - STILL WAITING FOR ANSWERS:

I'm going to give you a promise here and I hope you are willing to accept it. I am going to post my questions again, NO BS, and ask that you give the honest answers that you feel are appropriate to answer my questions. I am giving you the opportunity to make a positive case for the landfill project.

1. Why should we accept the landfill?

2. Why are you placing more faith in the people from PA Waste from Harrisburg than you would in your own neighbors and other local people?

3. How are the County Commissioners responsible? How did they "pass the buck" when it has only been the Boggs Township supervisors who have met with PA Waste representatives since Sept of 05?

4. We are in some agreement that blame lies with the state and specifically the State Rep in Houtzdale. He was one of the main authors of Act 101, the law that set forth the rules on landfill permitting in PA. What do you want Rep. George to do publically now in 2006?

5. Give everyone reading this forum 5 valid reason why Clearfield County and central PA needs this landfill in our area?

Thank you.....

Forming a Pro-Landfill advocacy group...

Earlier this week I posted a suggestion to Mr. Deacon and Mr. Garner to form a pro-landfill development group. Please understand that I am not doing this to mock either of these gentleman. I truly feel that if their is an interest to promote landfills as possible economic development projects to bring jobs and investment to the area, then those who support this idea should start a group to promote these ideas.

Mr. Deacon and Mr. Garner both seem willing to promote what they feel are positive aspects of landfill businesses. Are there other citizens who share this opinion? If so, wouldn't they want to form a group to educate the public and local elected officials on this idea?

How about it???

Hi! NIMBY
It’s going to be enjoyable to watch you twist these to benefit your agenda here goes.

1. Why should we accept the landfill?

Ans. We shouldn’t

2. Why are you placing more faith in the people from PA Waste from Harrisburg than you would in your own neighbors and other local people?

Ans. After what you call, “my neighbors and others” did to me and my family maybe a stranger is where
I should look? Sometimes the Samaritan is a better neighbor?

3. How are the County Commissioners responsible? How did they "pass the buck" when it has only been the Boggs Township supervisors who have met with PA Waste representatives since Sept of 05?

Ans. 1. Their politicians!
2. It’s what politicians do!

Ans. 3. Who’s fault is that? The Comm’s had no problem appearing with the CCFBTD now did they? I
seem to remember that the Comm’s stood off at a distance by their choice. (I’m sure you are
going to straighten me on this one!)

4. We are in some agreement that blame lies with the state and specifically the State Rep in Houtzdale. He was one of the main authors of Act 101, the law that set forth the rules on landfill permitting in PA. What do you want Rep. George to do publically now in 2006?

Q. Now I need an answer to the following before I can answer it in full? Q. You can’t agree with me somewhat that the State is at fault and try and absolve Camille George from guilt (clarify what you somewhat agree with me on?)

Ans. (part 2) Something odd the Rep stated recently he was not a Senator (which is quite right he’s a
Rep.) on Bill 528 yet he was on the Committee for 528 in 1987 I ain’t figured that out quite yet?
So I can’t fully answer till I totally understand 528 and 101? Till then this is the best I can do

5. Give everyone reading this forum 5 valid reason why Clearfield County and central PA needs this
landfill in our

response to Nimby Nov 4 06 Sat
Where do you get these Ideas or should I ask who feeds you this misinformation? That I want to form the CCBFSJSFTCCFBTD society? I never was interested in being Captian of my own team but if I did Mr. G and I probably would have a good thing going sadly I don't know because I don't know Mr Larry G but would like to talk to him he seems like a reasonable man? And I don't say that to mock either! I also don't understand why and where you get these asinine ideas of me wanting to be a captain of a ship? I sure would like to know? you've got your question that you demand answers to answer these?

There seems to be a problem putting the complete article on the site here it is again.........

Hi! NIMBY
It’s going to be enjoyable to watch you twist these to benefit your agenda here goes.

1. Why should we accept the landfill?

Ans. We shouldn’t

2. Why are you placing more faith in the people from PA Waste from Harrisburg than you would in your own neighbors and other local people?

Ans. After what you call, “my neighbors and others” did to me and my family maybe a stranger is where
I should look? Sometimes the Samaritan is a better neighbor?

3. How are the County Commissioners responsible? How did they "pass the buck" when it has only been the Boggs Township supervisors who have met with PA Waste representatives since Sept of 05?

Ans. 1. Their politicians!
2. It’s what politicians do!

Ans. 3. Who’s fault is that? The Comm’s had no problem appearing with the CCFBTD now did they? I
seem to remember that the Comm’s stood off at a distance by their choice. (I’m sure you are
going to straighten me on this one!)

4. We are in some agreement that blame lies with the state and specifically the State Rep in Houtzdale. He was one of the main authors of Act 101, the law that set forth the rules on landfill permitting in PA. What do you want Rep. George to do publically now in 2006?

Q. Now I need an answer to the following before I can answer it in full? Q. You can’t agree with me somewhat that the State is at fault and try and absolve Camille George from guilt (clarify what you somewhat agree with me on?)

Ans. (part 2) Something odd the Rep stated recently he was not a Senator (which is quite right he’s a
Rep.) on Bill 528 yet he was on the Committee for 528 in 1987 I ain’t figured that out quite yet?
So I can’t fully answer till I totally understand 528 and 101? Till then this is the best I can do

5. Give everyone readi

Landfill Summit day is here! I'm excited to see how this event has unfolded.
Personally, I left Clearfield at a young age. The reason I left was because I recognized that Clearfield had nothing to offer me, other than being close to my family.
I would have loved to stay, for that ONE reason, but the reality is, being close to my family wouldn't pay my bills, nor would it allow me to grow as a human being. I love my family, but their reality is that they are true Clearfieldians...you know..they have a close family relationship, the support everything Clearfield stands for, they respect their home and their neighbors.
All of that said...(all wonderful qualities)..their vacation is going to Parker Dam, Attending the Clearfield Fair, or sitting on the back porch chatting with friends or family, which honestly is how many who have left Clearfield at a young age, see Clearfield.
Something some of you may not know, those of us who have left Clearfield at times run into each other..have developed continued personal friendships..all be it..the "metro" friendship...seeing each other once in awhiile in social setting..keeping in contact via email..chat rooms..voicemail..cell phones..video coorespondence ext..we still talk.
My point...I am excited beyond belief to see that some of Clearfield is stepping up and wanting to be vocal about the direction Clearfield County takes..it's not just about talking..it's about DOING.
Clearfield County may or may not end up with a vial landfill (my opinion) but the awesome thing for me is to see that from County Commissioner..to business people..to the normal citizens just one who most of the time enjoy's sitting on the back porch..It's changing...which to me is a good sign.
I know so many people have looked at this site, or read news articles, or even did that old clearfield thing of talking behind people backs, muttering under their breath..I've always found it funny..but it's the way Clearfield works. The truth is for all of

Well folks, it is sad to see in tonights newspaper that the Boggs Township supervisors have sold us down the river - AGAIN. They had a long standing ordinance in place that would not have allowed PA Waste to accept garbage on Saturday's or during certain hours but they (the supervisors) showed their lack of a spine and agreed to change their long standing ordinace to pacify PA Waste.

What this will do is allow more hours during the weekdays and now will allow Saturday's for trash to be delivered to the Boggs Township site.

Of course we can expect the argument will show up here shortly that "they had no choice because PA Waste would sue Boggs Township if they didn't change it".

The question is: Doesn't it make you the least bit suspicious that PA Waste, any time they think they can't get exactly what the want will threaten court action??? If they are our friends as they claim to be, why are they always being the bully?

The sad thing is that once they get their permit, they will - WILL - sell off to an established landfill company and laugh, laugh, laugh all the way back to Harrisburg!!! And never take another phone call from the Boggs Twp Supervisors HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Cha-Ching! The sad thing is, the supervisors don't even realize how they are being played.